Worldwide Bi-Metallic Collectors Club

WBCC Newsmail 209, Volume 5, August 12, 2000
Composed with help from members of the
Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club (WBCC)
and this week published by Paul Baker, UK,
WBCC Research Centre, 85@wbcc.fsnet.co.uk

Dear WBCC members and non WBCC members,

Martin is still on vacation in the USA. So again I will compose the
Newsmail. This is the second of my three stints - so if you have news about
Bi- or Tri-metallics, in the coming week, then please E-mail me at:
85@wbcc.fsnet.co.uk. I hope you enjoy reading this week's WBCC Newsmail.

1. Russian Bi-metallic heard to shake by Joel Larouche, Canada
  Did anyone notice a problem with the 10 Roubles 2000 from Russia (WWII
issue). I recently bought 20 of these coins and when I shake them I can hear
the inner part move a little inside the outer-ring. I know of the odd coin
from other countries with this same problem but about 12 of my 20 pieces of
these coins (10 Roubles) all have this trouble. They are all St. Petersburg
mint pieces.

2. Exonumia at Philadelphia ANA Convention by Rich Hartzog, U.S.A.
  A list of all the exonumia dealers at the Philadelphia ANA convention can
be found at http://www.exonumia.com/ana2000.htm

--Remark WBCC Research Centre: Hopefully, through the next WBCC Newsmail a
few of you, who have been to, or are going to the Philadelphia ANA
convention, can share some stories of your bi-metallic searching there - be
it for bi-metallic exonumia or bi-metallic coins.

3. Swiss bi-metallic design - which way is "up" ? by Paul Baker
  WBCC member Dave Webster, U.S.A. asked about the usual orientation of the
Swiss bi-metallic, 5 Francs, 1999, KM86 (Wine Festival). He thought that
perhaps his was different to usual. He told me that his piece seemed to have
a reverse rotated differently to the rotation shown in SCWC.
  I thought about this and found that if the piece is medallic alignment
then the word "FETE" should be at the top of the reverse (this is as per my
piece and Dave's piece) on the other hand, if the piece had coin alignment
then the "S" in "VIGNERONS" would be at the top on the reverse. However the
SCWC image has the reverse shown with the date "1999" at the top and the
image the WBCC had from the Swissmint of this coin showed the top of the
reverse design as being the area just a little clockwise from the word
"VEVEY". The odd thing is, that if you look only at the reverse of this coin
you have no way at all of being sure which way is "up".

4. Gibraltar bi-metallic 2 Pounds KM-758 varieties by Paul Baker
  In WBCC Newsmail 137, I mentioned how I had noticed a variety for the
Gibraltar 2 Pounds KM-758. The piece illustrated in "World Coin News" was
different to the pieces that Fabio Guerrieri had. Other people had pieces
like Fabio's at the time too, but no one had pieces like that shown in
"World Coin News". A couple of months ago, I managed to get hold of a piece
like that shown in "World Coin News". Now, at last, I have done some images
of the two varieties and they can be seen on the WBCC website. Gibraltar 2
Pounds KM-758 depicts "Hercules Capturing the Erymanthian Boar" and is dated
  The apparently commoner variety of KM-758 has the mintmark "PM" above the
"P" in "POUNDS" on the reverse and stylised dieletters "AA" above the "S" in
"POUNDS". This "PM", on closer inspection, appears to have been re-engraved
or perhaps even "blundered". An image of just this mintmark has also been
added to the WBCC site. I know of no other Gibraltar bi-metallic 2 Pounds
types with the "PM" and "AA" this way around.
  The apparently scarcer variety of KM-758 has stylised dieletters "AA"
above the "P" in "POUNDS" on the reverse and mintmark "PM" above the "S" in
"POUNDS". This arrangement seems to be normal for all of the other similar
(1998 to 2000) types of the "The Labours of Hercules" series. (Remember that
the 1997 piece of this series does not have "PM" on the reverse, since that
type (KM-755) has the previous portrait of the Queen on the obverse, this
portrait does not have designer's initials below it and so the mintmark "PM"
has a place there.)
  I do know of other distinct "PM" position variations on Pobjoy Mint coins
of 1998. These though are just on Isle of Man coins (mainly lower
denominations) and not on Gibraltar coins. I must say though, that I have
seen a lot more 1998 examples for the Isle of Man than for Gibraltar. The
last 2 of the 12 pieces of this series of bi-metallic 2 Pounds are yet to be
issued, expect them to appear in the next few months.

5. How I became a WBCC member by Paul Baker
  I have been a collector of modern world coins for over 20 years and so
naturally I have bi-metallic coins as part of my collection. My record of
coin acquisitions gives me details of each acquisition since the start of
1986 and a list of pieces that I had before that. Amongst the pieces that I
had before the start of 1986 are two Italian 500 Lire coins (a 1982 and a
1983) and so they must have been my first bi-metallics. For some time these
were the only common bi-metallic coins to be had on a small budget.
  In May 1997 I got a modem for my PC and soon I was connected to the
internet. To start with my progress with using e-mail and the internet was a
little slow, since I worked it all out for myself and usually prefer not to
read the books ! Soon though, I found the newsgroup  rec.collecting.coins
and there I saw each week the WBCC Newsmail. In June 1997 I had an article
in the Newsmail 43 about varieties on Italy 500 Lire 1993 (KM-160). I
thought for many months about joining the WBCC and eventually joined in
February 1998. For a long time I had thought that my collecting efforts
would perhaps be directed too much particularly towards bi-metallics, if I
was to join the WBCC. These days I busily collect bi-metallics, but I am
also as serious as ever at collecting world coins, whether or not they are
bi-metallic. Quite often it helps to know about all those "other" coins when
trying to find something out about bi-metallics.

6. The WBCC Bi-metallic Quiz Game (#209)...by Jack Hepler, USA
  In 1997, Italy released a new 1000 Lire coin with a map of Western Europe.
It was quickly revealed that there was a mistake in the drawing of the map.

Which of the following are considered errors in the map.
a. Eastern German Border drawn inaccurately.
b. No border between Belgium and the Netherlands
c. Luxembourg missing
d. No border between Germany and Denmark

Please send your answer to me: heplerl@saic.com (Please notice my other
E-mail address) Next week you can read the correct answer.

Answer to Bi-metallic Quiz Game question #208.
The bi-metallic coin showing a map of a Continent is the  250 Francs of the
West African States, answer, "d".
Summary of answers to Quiz Game Question #207: 100% Correct

7. New Bi- or Tri-metallic images....by Rod Sell, WBCC Homepage Provider
  This weeks new pictures in the WBCC Homepage:

Canada 2000 $10 MTT from Kindersley, Saskatchawan.
Canada 2000 $3 MTT from Nanaimo, B.C.
Canada 38mm Medal from Ecole Madelaine-de-Roybon  Kingston, Ontario.
US 50 Cent  Trade Token from Christopher Stores Company of Christopher
US $1 Trade Token from Livermore Chair Co. of Livermore  N.Y.
Gibraltar 2 Pound KM758 varieties and re-engraved PM mark.

"See" you next week,
Paul Baker,
Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club - Research Centre
The Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club
was established September 14, 1996 and is the very first Worldwide
Collectors Club using the Internet. Goal of the WBCC is exchange
Bi-metallics and exchange knowledge about Bi-metallics
WBCC Organisation:
WBCC Homepage Provider: Rod Sell, Australia, Rod.Sell@elderwyn.com
WBCC DoCu-Centre: Frans Dubois, Netherlands, dubois.f@wxs.nl
WBCC Public Relations: Cliff Anderson, USA, chander@mciworld.com
WBCC Research Centre: Paul Baker, UK, 113076.167@compuserve.com
WBCC Developement Centre, Jack Hepler, USA, leslie.j.hepler@saic.com
WBCC Focal Point ANA 2000 Convention, Ray Lockwood, USA, sunray@comteck.com
WBCC Focal Point: Martin Peeters, Netherlands, martinp@westbrabant.net