Worldwide Bi-Metallic Collectors Club
Newsmail # 601

WBCC Newsmail 601 Volume 13, February 16, 2008

Composed with help from members of the
Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club (WBCC),
and weekly published by: Martin Peeters,  Netherlands,
Focal Point of the WBCC

Past Newsmails can be found at

Dear WBCC members and non WBCC members,
Welcome into the World of Bi, Tri and Quad-metallics. I hope you enjoy reading
this week's issue of the WBCC Newsmail. 

1. New WBCC Martin Peeters, WBCC Focal Point
We have 2 new members. Let me introduce them to you:
Name:Taoyong Yang (WBCC member #453), China
Age: 23
Profession: Student
Hobby: Collecting coins currently in circulation all over the world and European Coins especially Bi- and/or Tri-metallics
Goal: Collecting euro coins which are circulated in including all commemorative coins and coins from three principalities.I just started collect coins,so only a small goal.
How did I know about the WBCC: At the WMF Berlin 2008, I visited the WBCC booth

Name: Henry Mensch (WBCC mekmber #454), USA
Age: 45
Profession: IT Manager
Hobby: World coins especially Bi- and/or Tri-metallics, Bi- and/or Tri-metallic especially Ecu and Euro coins
How did I know about the WBCC: recent article in Coin World
2. WBCC Website Rod Sell, WBCC Webside Provider, Australia
It was with a great deal of nostaglia that I read the early WBCC Newsmails list in our archive.

When I joined the WBCC in November 1996 I had only been on the internet for a few months. My son in law, who was a computer programmer, set everything up for me, so I only had to learn how to turn on the computer and select the programs I wanted. My first service provider also allowed me 5 megs of space to create files. My son in law showed me how to set up a website using a netscape editor, which I still use.  I offered to host the WBCC site and our home page was started.

In those days the site was very small, as was the number of Bi-metallics. We all had the goal of trying to collect them all, though some like the Andorra issues were difficult. Ebay was also in it's infancy and there were not many Bi-metallic on offer.

Members supplied images of their coins and gradually the image library evolved. It was easy, the image library was all on one page, with Countries listed alphabetically. Eventually the page became too large and was split in two. Most members still were on dialup, so images took a long time to load and we only used images 200 pixel in height.

My service provider was then taken over by another company which did not offer as much. So it was time to move on. I obtained a free site at geocities and we had our site there for a while. The problem with free
sites are, they place advertising on the pages, which can prove difficult for some viewers.

I found another service provider located in the UK and we moved to this location. One day this company was involved in legal action and the access to the website was frozen, so nothing could be changed.

Time to move on again.  We found a host in the US who allowed multi names to be used from the same account. Also the registration of a web name had reduced dramatically and it was time for the WBCC to have it's own address. WBCC was already taken, so WBCC-online was the second choice.

The image library was growing rapidly and many Countries by now had their own page. Each week I would make sure the new images were in the new image page and would also list them in the image library. This was taking a lot of time. About this time the Newsmail archive was also created. I had all the newsmails from when I joined, so all I had to do was to find the ten or so that I was missing. Luckily the foundation members still had them.

J.D. White who designs websites, joined and offered to update our site. His offer was accepted and he and I split the parts of the site we would each manage. J D designed the website we currently use. He lives in country Arizona and only has dialup access, so the redesigning of the site took a while. One of his tasks was to redesign the image library. The site was also transferred to the Dynex Group server which J.D. used. They offered us free space, which was good as we were by now a rather large site with many hundred images.

I managed the new images pages whilst J.D. was updating the image library. When the image library was completed after nearly 2 years, there were just too many new images to transfer to the image library. I just leave the new images now in 3 month pages.  Many members have also come to our assistance and maintain the image library for the countries they have interest in, so these pages should be up to date with lots of additional information.

After a few years the Dynex group was sold to another server and they no longer were prepared to host our site. Luckily by then I had a server who not only allowed multi names from the same account, their package also allowed much more space than I needed and lots of bandwidth for viewing. Just as well, as by now we had started the WBCC auctions.

I by now had cable and this allowed much faster access and also file transfers.  J. D. found that he did not have the time required, only using dialup and resigned as webmaster. I again took over the full duties of
managing the website.

The one big advantage of having our registered name is that everytime we move servers, the name does not change. There is still a lot of files to download to the new server, but that is easy. Our site now has many thousands of images as well as 600 WBCC Newsmails.

Another memory that comes to mind is the time our site was hacked and replaced with light pornographic images. I removed the porn but it was hacked again that night. It was time to get more security.
I hope the members find the site useful. It contains a lot of information.The new "For Sale" page allows members to list the extra Bi-metallics they have.

If you have any ideas for the site let me know.  If it does not take too much time it will be considered. Time is the number one constraint.
3. Bi-metallic 2 Euro from Frans Dubois, Netherlands
A new Commemorate Bi-metallic 2 Euro 2008 from France, 50th Anniversary of the Fifth French Republic. France will issue the next 2 comm. 2 Euro in March for the 50th Anniversary of the Fifth French Republic
4. Rob Kooy, Netherlands
You may have heard from the Monaco 1 € 2007.
The first coins (found since the end of December 2007) without exception had no mintmark or privy mark of Monnaie de Paris (see attachment #1)
But the last few days many of these coins have shown up with the mintmark and privy mark of Monnaie de Paris (see attachment #2)
So two types are existing. The latter is now in my possession. The "in circulation" ratio of both types seems to be 1:3 (without/with).
--Remark Jose Luis Ramirez, look also at:
5. Bi-metallic 2 Euro from Germany....Manuel Gonzalez, Spain
There is news about Error in the Bi-metallic 2 Euro Commemorative 2008 with old map in reverse and the Germany mintmark "F" is missing.

How many errors? What happen in Mints? I don´t understand. I have similar error of Finland 2 Euros 2007.
6. Bi-metallic from 2008 Tristan da Cunha Cliff Anderson, USA
After the WMF and while waiting for my flight from Berlin, I met Ingo Seemann who stated that he and the Commonwealth Mint in England had just produced coins for Tristan da Cunha.
(This is the same piece that appeared in last week's WBCC newsmail (#600), where Martin Peeters described a new 2008 Bi-metallic from Tristan da Cunha being advertised in a German circular.)
Since this remote Atlantic island is part of the British Commonwealth, Seemann said he had gone through a long process to obtain authorization and approval of the British Home Office to issue these coins. Seemann showed that this Bi-metallic 25 pence coin was part of a larger mint set, each piece of which featured wildlife in that area. The common obverse of all the pieces is a new version of the image of Queen Elizabeth II.

Seemann said that he had already sold a number of the mint sets at the World Money Fair in Berlin.  (This sale must have been to the German firm advertising the piece.)
Seemann usually handles only wholesale for other coin dealers, and that his pricing depends on the quantities ordered. However, he is willing to make an exception for WBCC members who identify ourselves when ordering and will sell single mint sets and/or single coins, including the Bi-metallic 25 pence.
He will accept orders and discuss pricing and payment through the following contacts for his company, Westshore Coins and Collectibles, which is the sole distributor for the US and many other countries:, and phone 562 988-1344.
7. Bi-metallic Fantasy Euro' Wolfgang Schuster, Austria
Have you seen this?
Some examples:
8. Bi-metallic US Trade Paul Baker, UK
The site at....
include images of many 1000's of U.S. trade tokens...registered used send their images or images from ebay...the site lists the ebay members who have give permission for their images to used....
Many idea for image database site.....and thoughts on "copyright"...
9. Bi-metallic medal 2006 from Antonio da Silva, Brazil
This information is from the Clube Filatelico  e Numismatico de Taquara web site and you can read in Portuguese in:    
This private medal pay tribute to the aviator Alberto Santos Dumont which in 1906, in Paris, flied whit your airplane 14bis. This have been the first fly in the world to have a legal ratification.
Reverse: You can read in the ring: 100 years of 1st fly of airplane 1906 2006 and centre: Bagatelle-Paris France October 23th around airplane 14bis.
Obverse: ring: Medal to Santos Dumont and centre: the aviator between dates 1873 1932.
Metal: brass
Diameter: 50 mm
weight: 45g
Mintage: 30 pieces
Designed and struked by Pedro Balsemao
10. Encased piece from Paul Baker, UK
Saw in Ebay:
an old European Encased piece, 1 Heller 1903 from Austria
11. Bi-metallic Quiz Game Jack Hepler, USA
WBCC member number 42 is a serious collector of Bi-metallic coins. He is the member who told me about the Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club. I had already started collecting Bi-metallic coins but was new to eMail and the Internet, and didn't know about the WBCC. Number 42 is also a coin dealer. He has worked to build an extensive stock of Bi-metallic coins for his business. Persons interested in obtaining Bi-metallic coins should contact him for availability of coins on their Want Lists. His eMail address is  What is the name of member number 42?
a. Martin Peeters
b. Norman Bowers
c. Hans Bucek
d. Cliff Anderson
Please send your answer to:

Answer to Bi-metallic Quiz Game question #600.
The very first Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club Newsmail was dated September 14, 1996. In that first Newsmail, Martin Peeters reported that he had received encouraging messages from collectors were interested informing a Bi-metallic collectors club. In addition to Martin Peeters and Frans Dubois, Martin's close friend, how many names are mentioned in that first Newsmail?
a. Five
b. Seven
c. Nine
d. Fourteen
The correct answer for question #600 is c; Nine.

WBCC Quiz Game Prize
If more than one member gets the correct answer, a random drawing will be conducted to select a winner. There were eight players in game #599 and the winner was Michael Ayrapetov WBCC member #8.

12. New Bi-, Tri-, or Tetra-metallic Rod Sell, WBCC Webmaster
The new Bi-, Tri-, or Tetra-metallic images shown at:
* Brazil 2006 Medal
* Romania medal 2008
* Monaco 2007 1e with and without mintmarks near the year
* Tristan da Cunha 2008 25p

"See you"next week,
Martin Peeters, Focal Point of the Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club

The Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club (WBCC) was established September 14, 1996 and is the very first Worldwide Collectors Club using the Internet. Goal of the WBCC is exchange Bi-, Tri-, and Tetra-metallics and exchange knowledge about Bi-, Tri-, and Tetra-metallics

WBCC Organisation:
WBCC Webmaster: Rod Sell, Australia,
WBCC Sales Pages Provider: Rod Sell,
WBCC DoCu-Centre: Frans Dubois, Netherlands,
WBCC Public Relations: Cliff Anderson, USA,
WBCC Research Centre: Paul Baker, UK,
WBCC Developement Centre: Jack Hepler, USA,
WBCC Focal Point ANA Conventions: Ray Lockwood, USA,
WBCC Focal Point: Martin Peeters, Netherlands,
WBCC Website:
WBCC Web-Log:

The WBCC will attend the following future International events:

* The 8th Northern Coin Event 2008, Saturday, September 20th, 2008, Assen, The Netherlands

* The World Money Fair, February 6 to 8, 2009 in Berlin, Germany


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